In the October issue of Movie Entertainment, the magazine sent to pay TV subscribers, Gordon McCall gets all political about the Conservative plan to cut funding to the Canada Council for the Arts.
In true spirit of the Brothers Grimm, and in his apparent quest to make us all things American, Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s minority government seems prepared to put an end to the Maple Leaf model of government funding for the performaing arts.
Maple Leaf model?? More like socialist model. Where do you get off with such preposterous rubbish? The American model is truly successful because a) they have big name talent b) they let the market dictate what is successful and what is not and c) they don’t suck money out of government programs to make dog movies.
These folks wonk around in their tuxedos on tax payer dollars like it was theirs to spend. Why don’t they take some pride in their work and put out a movie that is entertaining. Or even better, why not learn to market a movie that actually may have some legs instead of pumping out ridiculous junk with the millions in funding that the Liberals were going to give them?
Professional theatres are dependent on the small current government subsidy to, in some cases, simply stay afloat and, in others, to keep ticket prices in line with audience expectations.”
What the heck is that? $50 Million isn’t enough for you? Did you ever think that if ticket prices were at a level equal to the value of what the theatre was showing that the market would dictate whether or not the show should go on?? If enough flops start showing up then the person selecting plays or movies for that theatre doesn’t DESERVE to get paid. Like the real world, they should get fired. What gives you the right to keep asking for more money to keep opening more theatres so that more and more Canadians can be dependent on tax dollars for a living? Get stuffed.
You know Canada’s entertainment business would die without sucking money out of the public coffers. And why is that Mr. McCall? Is it because most of the movies made in Canada are crap that would never have seen the light of day were it not for the money you leech off of people with real jobs that are productive to society?
Why don’t you take a page out of the book of good solid comedic TV like Corner Gas. The advertisers pay more for that one because it is a solid winner. It deserves to make money and be successful because it’s good. Not because it’s supported by a socialist attitude.
So when you get on your political soapbox to get the average “sitting at home on the sofa” citizen to listen to you mangle the Prime Minister for saving our tax dollars, think about all the people who’s taxes paid for that tuxedo you sport at the film festivals and how most of them don’t even own a tux.
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How do you realley feel about these trough feeding clowns. Good post
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As an artist and a supporter of the Conservatives, I find your post insulting to yourself and small-minded at best.
The same “pricks wonk around in your tuxedos on tax payer dollars” line could be used on those in professional sports, but I don’t think I’ll see you lament the day that governments stop giving money away for the building of hockey arenas or baseball stadiums. Do you really think that the Blue Jays would even be around today if the government didn’t give away hundreds of millions of dollars in selling the Sky Dome for far less than it cost to build? Please.
I don’t see you complaining about the tax credits being given to people who want to enter their children into sports programs. I wonder why. Seriously man, cultures do not thrive on the merits of their sports initiatives the way they do on their cultural and artistic contributions, whether it be music, film, theatre, food or any other creative endeavor that you can name.
I agree that most films coming out of Canada are rather pretentious, but what about the music you listen to? And musicians in this country suffer because the only way to make it is by getting a contract in the USA. Hardly speaks volumes as to how strong a love Canadians have for their own culture.
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Surecure, a couple of points.
1) I am not against art itself. I am very against a movie magazine being political.
2) If your art sells on the free market, that’s great, I hope you are very successful. I just don’t think the government should bail out crap or we will only produce crap. The day when art in Canada is completely self reliant for survival will be the day that the quality of art goes up dramatically.
3) I would not support government sponsorship of a sports facility that would rely on the government to keep the sports team operational. This, however, is the case with art and museums. Without further government funding they would not operate. At least the Blue Jays are self sufficient. And the Skydome has hosted football, baseball, soccer, basketball, monster truck shows, Supercross MX races, countless concerts, job fairs, home shows, etc. It is not strictly dependent on the Blue Jays, but theatres and art galleries must be filled.
And no offence to good artists out there, but when our tax dollars pay $1.8 Million for an white blotch on an orange background somethings wrong. i.e. Rothko No. 16 which I display below.
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The Blue Jays are self sufficient? I don’t think so. If they were self-sufficient, they would have been able to attract a fraction of the business that Skydome would have needed to have been a succussful business venture. And all the other events you mentioned that go on there only further my point. Considering that Skydome cost $570million to build and was sold to Rogers for $25million, can you really say that the Blue Jays weren’t given a half Billion dollar government charity of a building?
Besides… why the heck do you need a building like Skydome for motocross? That’s even more laughable than a Rothko painting, don’t you think? And it’s not like Skydome is needed for any of those other events. Between the International Centre, the Convention Centre, Exhibition Place and the more than a dozen large exhibitor spaces in the GTA, the Skydome is useless.
And don’t even talk to me about concerts there. The Skydome is a joke of a concert venue (hence why hardly anybody plays there anymore).
No, the Skydome was a 1/2 Billion dollar charity to a single sports franchise, and only one of many that are within the GTA alone. How many arenas, baseball parks, soccer fields and race tracks have been built as charity for sporting events? How often are sports events financially backed by the governments of the areas they are from? And what about the Olympics?
And from your evaluation of value, how often do these investments yield a return? I’d say slim to none, especially in regards to the Olympics. Actually having the Olympics themselves costs more than it brings in. And that’s not even counting how much it costs just to launch a bid for the Olympics, something Toronto has done several times in the last few decades.
But, does that mean government spending towards sports is a waste? No. Because that is part of what we are as a country, just as much as movies and music and painting and any other artistic venture is.
And if a movie magazine decides to criticize a government for its investments in the arts, I am fine with that. I don’t expect anybody else to speak out for artists’ interests. Besides, I have personally contacted MP Bev Oda’s office with some suggestions on better ways to fund the arts than what has been in place.
And as an aside, just because you think its crap doesn’t make it so. A majority of Canadian films eventually break even with many making a significant profit. They aren’t making blockbusters, but is that the definition of value? I’m sure that just because Spice World made millions upon millions doesn’t mean it wasn’t crap.
Not a lot of Canadians watch Canadian films, but if you were to ask around the film world, you’d know that Canadian film makers are some of the most respected. I mean, how else could a film like ‘Seducing Dr. Lewis’ (which I doubt you’ve heard of) become a huge hit in Asia? How could quiet Canadian fare like ‘Three Needles’ or ‘Water’ become the darlings of the festival circuit? And this is the stuff that most pedestrian minded Canadians would call “crap”.
I can agree with you that there is crap in art. But I find that to be in the extreme minority. What I do find is that the amount of money given to the arts in this country is miniscule by way of comparison to what is given to sports. And in terms of return on investment, the arts always comes out on top. But the Conservative government has absolutely no plans for arts funding except to cut it, whereas the sports funding gets more and more.
I find it hypcritical of Conservatives to complain about wasted funding to the arts when the arts always… ALWAYS outperforms sports. Maybe if the Conservative government was a little more fair in funding to the arts, the artistic community wouldn’t have anything to complain about. I may support the Conservatives. But that doesn’t change the fact that I am more than a little disappointed in how they will talk endlessly about dumping tax dollars into the money pit that is community sports while not offering word one about how they intend on helping out the arts.
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Surecure, the Canada Council for the Arts was on a budget of $151Million a year and had a Liberal plan to get another $300 Million over three years. This means over three years they would have received a whopping $750 Million. Even the half billion dollar Skydome was built and will be around for at least 25 years.
And the Blue Jays themselves may not be self sufficient but they don’t suck the government teat annually for $150 Million.
You list all the places that events can take place, but you don’t point out the number of art facilities there are. We have at least 10 museums here in Ottawa. How many museums do we need?
You say art always outperforms sport. If it does, then it should survive without $150 Million a year. When someone sees a run like Phantom had in Toronto it makes us proud. Let the masses speak with their wallets. If it’s good, they will come.
My basic point is let it survive, thrive or die based on the simple principles of supply and demand and not because a few people in charge of a huge fund say it’s art and deserves to be funded. The public eye is a true indicator of what is Canadian culture. Not a bunch of fat cats who cash the $150 Million checque annually.
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It’s interesting you bring up the Canada Council for the Arts. Did you know that the government of Canada spends around the same amount of money on sports as they do for all the arts across the country? That doesn’t even include the money put forward towards infrastructure, like the $250 million more being put forward to sports infrastructure this year alone.
When you look at the $500million the federal government has put forward (so far) towards the Olympics in Vancouver, are you really going to talk about some $750 million of Liberal planned funding that isn’t even going to happen? Hell, if you include the $250million in sports infrastructure announced this year, in the last three years the government of Canada has spent a combined total of $1.3 Billion on sports. Line that up against the actual figure of $450 million spent on the arts and you tell me who is getting the short end of the stick.
I mean, are you seriously making arguments based on what the Liberals ‘planned’ to do? That makes as much sense to me as using the Liberals daycare plan as being a realistic yardstick of what they were actually going to do… meaning, not realistic at all. If you want to talk about actual money spent, I have no problem with that at all because the figures are readily available.
The plain and simple fact is that the Conservatives announced a tax credit to youth sports but not youth arts programs. The Conservatives announced more spending on sports, sports infrastracture and Olympic funding while in the same breathe talked about cutting funding for the arts. The Conservative platform mentioned sports several times while the arts wasn’t even mentioned once.
If you want to talk about the real numbers, I’m all ears. But if you are going to suggest that funding for the arts should be cut, I’ll take you seriously when you ask for on-par funding with sports first. And if you don’t like what you are getting by funding the arts, then I say give back the nicely designed uniforms, buildings, ticket stubs, foam fingers, logos, banner and scoreboard graphics and all the fancy background music and filming that comes along with every single sporting event that goes on in this country.
The arts don’t need sports to be as enjoyable as it is on its own. Too bad the opposite isn’t true. But who gets the funding?
And for those who complain when an arts magazine confronts the government on the unfair treatment of the arts in this country saying that arts magazines shouldn’t be political, I’ll take you seriously when you complain about the political interference by all the sports channels and publications who said that the Conservatives sports tax credit is a good thing. I don’t think that will happen. But the government and its supporters need to be able to take the applause and the criticism in order to better itself.
What’s good for the goose…
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I am a hobby painter, have sold quite a few, get lots of calls for more and know several artists who are completely self-supporting. They do -gasp- commercial work to pay the bills.
All the great artists throughout history were pretty much commercial artists – they did portraits, architectural pieces, advertisements and other assignments for – money. Leonardo, Michelangelo, Rembrandt, Rodin, Renoir, Warhol, and many more.
Having seen some of the stuff that has been funded by the Canada Council, I have to agree with Mulder here (and I LIKE art that pushes the boundaries).
I do agree with funding museums, art galleries and other venues along those lines to enhance their collections.
I have said for years that if no one will buy it then it just isn’t any good and I really don’t think the government should be the arbiter of taste in art through funding what fits it cookie cutter (not that the Soviets didn’t patronize some good posters). Art should be a completely market-driven endeavour.
In other words, if nobody is buying your tomatoes, maybe they have an unpleasant taste.
As for sports, since I’m not a fan, I won’t comment on taxpayer dollars funding events of that type.
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Don’t get me wrong… I am totally for a market driven artistic community. I’m not asking for hand outs for every artist and I don’t think that simply because one calls his or herself an artist means that they should be getting money.
What I find offensive is this “you pricks wonk around in your tuxedos”, “trough feeding clowns”, “bunch of fat cats” attitude that people have towards artists in general. The number of artists who wear tuxedos and drive sports cars is practically nil in this country. As an example, with the strict US border control over artists the only way musicians get into the USA as an artist is through sponsorship of a major label which cuts your album sales profit to 1/20 that of indie level.
Artists are always being sidelined and taken for granted. And when you have a government who is obsessed with sports and could care less about the arts, then artists (and art magazines) have a right to speak out.
Look, it would be really nice to say that the arts in this country should be 100% self-sufficient. But the thing that bothers me is that nobody says the same thing about other government “money-sucking” endeavors, especially sports. Sure, we can ask how much money do the arts need? But I mean, how much money do sports need?
And let’s not forget the fact that a large part of museums funding and content comes through charitable donation. Whether it be buildings or art collections, a lot of the budget for the arts and museums in general in this country come about because people give to the arts.
I just think that this high and mighty attitude towards artists with the illusion that they are all tuxedo wearing snobs is nothing but a sign of ignorance, especially when one compares the arts in Canada to the USA. Comparing the arts in Canada to that of the USA is like having a taste test between ice cream and motor oil.
I mean, how many people here know that musicians signed to a major label don’t make dime one until they sell 500,000 copies of their album? And how many people here know that it is nearly impossible for even the top tier musicians of Canada to sell 500,000 copies in Canada alone? How many people here think about the fact that an artist in this country has to travel all across Canada — the second largest Continent in the world — in order to expose his works to the same number of people that live in the Los Angeles basin alone?
Think about it.
How can one possibly compare the arts in Canada to the United States? We have 1/10 the population which means 1/10 the exposure to 1/10 the base from which an artist can make a living. Do you think that artists in this country flock to the USA just to be part of that scene? No way! They do it because there is no way for an artist to make a living in Canada alone.
People here say that art should be a completely market-driven endeavour? Fine. Then let’s hold the same standard when we cut taxes and give money or land away to car companies that want to build in our country. Let’s hold the same standard to sports franchises and force them to build their own arenas and stadiums when they want to bring a sports franchise to our cities.
That’s not what I want, because I don’t want our country to fall apart or our culture to decline. Which is the exact same reason why I don’t want funding for the arts to be destroyed. A double standard is no standard at all.
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Afraid I’m not much on the warm and fuzzy world of subsidised culture, but there might be less bitchin’ & moanin’ about Moosehead Monday
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BTW check the squinty print in the credits “Corner Gas” receives funding too! BTW I love Corner Gas!
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I hate to pee on anyone’s parade but there’s a difference between the costs associated with sport and the costs associated with the arts. Comparing government contributions for the two makes as much sense as comparing apples to Sherman tanks. To demand parity for arts with sport is ridiculous.
Compare the costs for an artist and the costs for an athlete. Pick any sport and any art discipline and compare: sport costs more. Even the less expensive sports are costly.
Our municipal council installed a track & field facility recently. It’s nothing fancy, just a flat patch with a rubberized track with jumping pits on one side. No throwing pits (yet) and no bleachers. Cost so far? $1.5 million.
I don’t care what kind of canvass and paint you use, it’s not going to cost you $1.5 million.
Mind you, that $1.5 million will be spread over hundreds of athletes and years BUT each of those athletes will be purchasing their own shoes, uniforms and equipment.
See what I mean about a flawed comparison?
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Leave it to the taxpayer funded CBC to get behind… “Little Mosque on the Prairie”?
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Mac: Sports costs more than the arts?
You talk about a simple track and field facility at a cost of $1.5 million. Do you know how much it costs to set up a simple theatre with nothing more than a building that includes chairs, a stage and a useable sound system? Trust me, $1.5 million would be a nice deal. And that’s if you ignore the fact that most theatres operate out of converted buildings. Even then the costs to ensure the building meets code (fire, safety, even government mandated elevators if it is more than 2 stories) tend to get fairly expensive. And that doesn’t include set building, costumes, royalty payments to the play authors for putting on a production, utilities, advertising, etc.
I take it you never took part in any amateur theatre productions.
And that is only one art form. We could talk about the costs involved for musicians who have to buy instruments and then constantly pay for new strings (mine cost about $50 a set that may last me 6 months if I stretch it a lot), reeds, valve oil, bushings, tunings/intonation setting, etc. You probably don’t even know how much decent, reliable musical instruments cost. My six-string fretless bass cost me $3,000… and that was a cheap one! Don’t even ask about my amplifier.
Of course you’re the one who talks about a flawed comparison and then pretends like you are even attempting to draw a fair parallel between a track facility and the cost of a single painting. If you want to talk about athletes having to pay for shoes, uniforms and equipment, then that would be an equivalant comparison to a painter who has to pay for sets of paint brushers, an eisle, paint (do you know how much portrait paints cost?), and that is not even mentioning how artists tend to go through a lot more of those supplies learning their skills than athletes do on shoes learning their sport.
Come on… Sure, we can mix and match and you can say how perhaps artists could live with cheap instruments and I could say athletes could use with cheap equipment and don’t really need uniforms, but it’s all just a tit-for-tat.
If you’re going to try and say it’s a flawed comparison you’re going to have to do better than that.
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As a matter of fact, I have participated in amateur theatre and my son is currently a “stage monkey” at his high school (but he wants to be a “squint” for some reason. I’m also involved in sports. Both my wife and my daughter compete at the provincial level for track & field.
The jibe about the painting was just that- a jibe, not a comparison; evidently too subtle for you. You’re right- I have no idea how much an easel, canvass & portrait paints cost… but I’m willing to bet it’s less than it costs for equip a hockey player… let alone a team of hockey players.
I gave the simple track as an example at the most basic of sport facilities. A more complete track, suitable for competitions, would cost much, much more and that’s just for track & field. Dare to compare a neighbourhood arena with a neighbourhood theatre? Even with a full rotating stage, a local theatre wouldn’t cost half of what it would cost for an arena and the maintenance costs for the arena would dwarf those of a theatre.
Of course, the real outrage is why the government fails to properly fund the Ministry of Silly Walks. 😉
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I know it was a jibe… it was simply neither humorous nor very applicable. In that regard, it was very, very subtle.
“Even with a full rotating stage, a local theatre wouldn’t cost half of what it would cost for an arena…”
Actually, with a full rotating stage, you’d be in the professional field my friend. I’ve never seen a single non-professional theatre with a rotating stage. I do work with an association of 3 theatre groups in Scarborough who actually have a theatre that was built for the area and, believe me, even without a rotating stage this thing cost more than the local arena.
But, then again, how many theatre groups actually get funding for a real theatre?
But, apart from facility costs (which is still a “six of one, half dozen of other” debate) sports don’t come anywhere near the cost for arts. An entire hockey team doesn’t even remotely come close to the amount an orchestra of musicians costs. A track and field team doesn’t cost anywhere near the amount of a theatre troup.
Besides… if we were to look at painting, acting, music, culinary arts, fashion, photography, sculpting, woodworking, architecture… doesn’t it seem like we are getting a might bit expensive after a while?
I still don’t see how sports in general entails the same costs as the whole slew of arts that are out there.
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If you knew it was a jibe… uh, nevermind… 🙁
My son’s high school theatre has a rotating stage. They’re not professionals. http://www.elginpark.net/index.php
If you get to claim cooking and architecture as “arts”, can I claim pool and poker as sports?
Simply put, we’ll have to agree to disagree. I know you’re wrong but I won’t rub your nose in it. lol
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Oh… you were including a “high school” theatre. Okay.
And yes, you can go ahead and claim pool and poker. That’s perfectly acceptable to me. Of course, if you don’t consider the culinary arts as an artform I guess you must have had a McCain’s straight-from-the-freezer cake at your wedding. And probably no flowers either, eh?
Just another sign of how most people don’t even see how the many artforms there are permeate their lives. But, I’ll just buff my nose and be on my way 🙂
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Baking isn’t art. It can be artistic, but it isn’t art. If I ever found out government art funding went to a wedding cake shop I think I could raise the nation in an uproar.
And if it is then we could also say Bobby Orr’s stickhandling was art. Maybe hockey teams should start dipping in to the arts funding.
Geesh.
Maybe that masse double kiss bank shot I made last week at the local snooker hall was art….Hmmmmmm….
Maybe I spoke too soon on the Canadian Council.
My final question……there is theatre in Scarberia??
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Who said anything about a wedding cake shop? Have you ever heard of post-secondary education? Like George Brown College? Or the Culinary Arts School of Ontario? You know? Huge culinary arts departments? Did you know the government pays for that?
Man, I must have hit close to home with the McCain’s cake comment to get you so worked up.
Sports and arts serve the same function in society. They are nothing more than pursuits that are neither fully commercial nor fully devotional. They are social events/pursuits that people take part in the spirit of community that in some rare occassions — such as commercial film and professional baseball teams for instance — are highly lucrative business. Of course they are different! I never said that they were interchangeable. Duh?
My whole point has always been that government funding for one or the other is equally laudable or contemptible. In those regards, they are one and the same and fall under the same optics of government spending. They are both expensive to the individual and appreciated by the community.
Does it really matter that your local track cost $1.5 million? Does it really matter that the government spends millions each year on amateur sports? I don’t hear any complaints.
Does it matter that the government spends millions on the arts? I guess to some people it does. It’s kind of petty in the end though, isn’t it?
P.S. Yes, in fact there is award winning theatre in Scarberia. Thanks for asking.
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While I agree in principle with most of what is published on this site, the point loses some of its lustre with the rather colourful language. There are various ways to make points and I think that satire and/or sarcasm figured into today’s post, but the same points can be made without resorting to language not acceptable for use on the public airwaves.
I came through here as a new “fan” of sorts after hearing the owner of this site on the Lowell Green show. I might have to reconsider linking to this like-minded site if this is typical of what can be found here day to day.
Language aside, keep up the good work, maintain the fight!
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Mike, I think there is colourful language in about two posts. (this one really got me on a bad day).
Surecure, no nerve hit. My uncles actually owned one of the most well known bakeries in Syracuse NY and I remember my uncle making a wedding cake that was four tiers, incredibly beautiful, with two side wings, a lovely waterpump/waterfall and red glowing lights making the water dance. And he had less than a grade six education and never got any government funding.
And where in Scarberia. I lived at VP/401 for 25 years and don’t remember much theatre in the east end. (I haven’t been back much over the past 12 years to look around)
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Besides, the McCains cake remark was aimed at me and I’m more-or-less unoffendable (is that a word?) with skin like blue steel; cat can’t scratch it.
Mike, sorry if my sarcasm ruffled you.
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TrustOnlyMulder: actually, the theatre is really easy to find…
…ready…
…wait for it…
http://www.theatrescarborough.com/
I know, I know… too easy 😉
They are actually a great trio of theatre groups. The theatre they now work out of (Scarborough Village Theatre at the corner of Kingston Rd and Markham Rd) is really quite something for a non-professional bunch. Actually, this season is looking to be a rather interesting year… Scarborough Music Theatre is doing the Who’s ‘Tommy’ in the spring. I’m keeping my fingers crossed that it will be as impressive as their other musicals.
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LOL I love the URL. Now being a late 30 something, I would pay $25 to perhaps $40 a ticket to see a good presentation of Tommy in a local theatre.
Mike, I slightly edited the post removing off colour language. My apologies and I will keep the language to a minimum. (i.e. it won’t come back unless it is a quotation.) I appreciate you calling me on the language.
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Good job, and thanks for taking my comments the way you did – you’re an honourable man.
As I said earlier, keep up the good work – we need more outspoken like-minded people out there. I do enjoy reading your material!