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	<description>You either pay attention or pay through the nose.  I would rather pay attention.</description>
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		<title>By: Alan Illeman</title>
		<link>http://officiallyscrewed.com/blog/?p=765&#038;cpage=1#comment-1892</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Illeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 00:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I&#039;ll sit on the fence a little longer  after seeing the &quot;60 minutes&quot; interview http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc4OzpgTOhk with James Hansen. Obviously the Bush White House believes there is some credibility to man made CO2 causing global warming - else why would they doctor scientific reports? I have asked externally &quot;Where is the definitive evidence that changes in temperature produce changes in CO2, or vice-versa&quot;. I am of course referring to the data record of all those ice core samples going back thousands of years but have yet to hear from anyone. Even Al Gore hasn&#039;t replied :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I&#8217;ll sit on the fence a little longer  after seeing the &#8220;60 minutes&#8221; interview <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc4OzpgTOhk" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc4OzpgTOhk</a> with James Hansen. Obviously the Bush White House believes there is some credibility to man made CO2 causing global warming &#8211; else why would they doctor scientific reports? I have asked externally &#8220;Where is the definitive evidence that changes in temperature produce changes in CO2, or vice-versa&#8221;. I am of course referring to the data record of all those ice core samples going back thousands of years but have yet to hear from anyone. Even Al Gore hasn&#8217;t replied <img src='http://officiallyscrewed.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Alan Illeman</title>
		<link>http://officiallyscrewed.com/blog/?p=765&#038;cpage=1#comment-1891</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Illeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 16:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[39] Thanks Tom, please let me know here, when it is published or by email (I have emailed you directly). I thoroughly enjoyed &quot;The Great Global Warming Swindle&quot; which makes a great deal of sense, and as a result has converted me to your point of view (I was sitting on the fence before) and will make sure that my friends review it too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[39] Thanks Tom, please let me know here, when it is published or by email (I have emailed you directly). I thoroughly enjoyed &#8220;The Great Global Warming Swindle&#8221; which makes a great deal of sense, and as a result has converted me to your point of view (I was sitting on the fence before) and will make sure that my friends review it too.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Harris</title>
		<link>http://officiallyscrewed.com/blog/?p=765&#038;cpage=1#comment-1890</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 01:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I asked Dr. Willie Soon of Harvard who is a co-author and apparently following the logistics through to final publication and he said he expects it out this month and that he will let me know when the magazine with the paper it in is published.

BTW, take a look at the TV4 show on &quot;The Great Global Warming Swindle&quot; and hear the interview with the producer yesterday in Winnipeg - see http://www.nrsp.com/news.html .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I asked Dr. Willie Soon of Harvard who is a co-author and apparently following the logistics through to final publication and he said he expects it out this month and that he will let me know when the magazine with the paper it in is published.</p>
<p>BTW, take a look at the TV4 show on &#8220;The Great Global Warming Swindle&#8221; and hear the interview with the producer yesterday in Winnipeg &#8211; see <a href="http://www.nrsp.com/news.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nrsp.com/news.html</a> .</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Illeman</title>
		<link>http://officiallyscrewed.com/blog/?p=765&#038;cpage=1#comment-1889</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Illeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 00:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[36]&quot;Alan, by your own logic and arguments, you are not qualified to comment on this subject. n your post (#15) you quote Suzuki’s website which states Dr. Ball has not even published in 14 years in an effort to try to discredit him.

Then in your last post (#35) you state that you yourself retired 13 years ago and have not published since 1985, some 22 or so years ago.

I think I will stop wasting my time reading your posts and go back to Dr. Ball. He’s far more mainstream wouldn’t you say?&quot;

For a guy with a degree you&#039;re awfully thick. I&#039;m not competing with climatologists, then or now. I&#039;m merely stating that I&#039;ve coauthored scientific papers in the past, and that I would expect to see any evidence of global warming, one way or the other, in such papers thereby giving credibility to claims.

Tom [37], are you sure of the title you quoted? I could not find it at the Ecological Complexity website, when I searched there (seeking to pay by credit card for access).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[36]&#8220;Alan, by your own logic and arguments, you are not qualified to comment on this subject. n your post (#15) you quote Suzuki’s website which states Dr. Ball has not even published in 14 years in an effort to try to discredit him.</p>
<p>Then in your last post (#35) you state that you yourself retired 13 years ago and have not published since 1985, some 22 or so years ago.</p>
<p>I think I will stop wasting my time reading your posts and go back to Dr. Ball. He’s far more mainstream wouldn’t you say?&#8221;</p>
<p>For a guy with a degree you&#8217;re awfully thick. I&#8217;m not competing with climatologists, then or now. I&#8217;m merely stating that I&#8217;ve coauthored scientific papers in the past, and that I would expect to see any evidence of global warming, one way or the other, in such papers thereby giving credibility to claims.</p>
<p>Tom [37], are you sure of the title you quoted? I could not find it at the Ecological Complexity website, when I searched there (seeking to pay by credit card for access).</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Harris</title>
		<link>http://officiallyscrewed.com/blog/?p=765&#038;cpage=1#comment-1888</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 05:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please take a look at our Web page on Dr. Ball at http://www.nrsp.com/people-timothy-ball.html where it says: &quot;Dr. Ball has recently (Dec 06) co-authored a paper in the scientific journal, Ecological Complexity, with Baliunas, Dyck, Soon, Baydack, Legates, and Hancock entitled Polar bears of western Hudson Bay and climate change: Are warming spring air temperatures the “ultimate” survival control factor? He is also co-author of the book Eighteenth Century Naturalists of Hudson Bay (2004 - McGill/Queens University Press) with Dr. Stuart Houston, one of the World&#039;s leading authorities on arctic birds.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please take a look at our Web page on Dr. Ball at <a href="http://www.nrsp.com/people-timothy-ball.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nrsp.com/people-timothy-ball.html</a> where it says: &#8220;Dr. Ball has recently (Dec 06) co-authored a paper in the scientific journal, Ecological Complexity, with Baliunas, Dyck, Soon, Baydack, Legates, and Hancock entitled Polar bears of western Hudson Bay and climate change: Are warming spring air temperatures the “ultimate” survival control factor? He is also co-author of the book Eighteenth Century Naturalists of Hudson Bay (2004 &#8211; McGill/Queens University Press) with Dr. Stuart Houston, one of the World&#8217;s leading authorities on arctic birds.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: TrustOnlyMulder</title>
		<link>http://officiallyscrewed.com/blog/?p=765&#038;cpage=1#comment-1887</link>
		<dc:creator>TrustOnlyMulder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 02:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan, by your own logic and arguments, you are not qualified to comment on this subject.  In your post (#15) you quote Suzuki&#039;s website which states Dr. Ball has not even published in 14 years in an effort to try to discredit him.

Then in your last post (#35) you state that you yourself retired 13 years ago and have not published since 1985, some 22 or so years ago.

I think I will stop wasting my time reading your posts and go back to Dr. Ball.  He&#039;s far more mainstream wouldn&#039;t you say?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan, by your own logic and arguments, you are not qualified to comment on this subject.  In your post (#15) you quote Suzuki&#8217;s website which states Dr. Ball has not even published in 14 years in an effort to try to discredit him.</p>
<p>Then in your last post (#35) you state that you yourself retired 13 years ago and have not published since 1985, some 22 or so years ago.</p>
<p>I think I will stop wasting my time reading your posts and go back to Dr. Ball.  He&#8217;s far more mainstream wouldn&#8217;t you say?</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Illeman</title>
		<link>http://officiallyscrewed.com/blog/?p=765&#038;cpage=1#comment-1886</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Illeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 01:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[29]&quot;So why don’t you tell us what papers on the snake oil of climate change you have written?&quot;

None. Where did you get that idea?

&quot;Now I must also add that your first link listing you as a Research Associate lists you as an “Electronics Technician”. And this qualifies you how??&quot;

Working closely with the principal researcher taught me a lot (although
it has been a while).

&quot;Heck, even I am an Electronics Engineering Technologist with a B.Sc.&quot;

Oh.

&quot;What degree did you say you have?&quot;

I didn&#039;t.

&quot;Because my gut is telling me you set up the computers that they did their erroneous climate modeling on.&quot;

Then you would be wrong. I was actually an &#039;Electronics Technologist III&#039; in UofT jargon, a &#039;IV&#039; meaning that you supervised other techs, but as I was on my own (as grants don&#039;t normally cover techs) I had the ear of the Prof. As I previously said, I worked in Cell Physiology, and later in Cloud Physics closely it both cases with the principal researcher. I never indicated that we had anything to do with climate, and was just saying that &#039;scientific papers&#039; are not new to me.

The two papers I coauthored (in cell physiology) are (1)&quot;Low-Frequency Voltage Noise in a Mammalian Bone Cell Close&quot; Journal of Cellular Physiology 113:267-272 (1982) and (2)&quot;Transient and Sustained Effects of Hormones and Calcium on Membrane Potential in a Bone Cell Close&quot;  Journal of Cellular Physiology 122:53-58 (1985). I designed and supplied the electronic interfaces and did some of the research.

Later in the Department of Physics I designed a built interfaces to PC&#039;s along with supporting software, mostly in assembly for wind tunnels, field instruments and Doppler radar. I retired in 1994.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[29]&#8220;So why don’t you tell us what papers on the snake oil of climate change you have written?&#8221;</p>
<p>None. Where did you get that idea?</p>
<p>&#8220;Now I must also add that your first link listing you as a Research Associate lists you as an “Electronics Technician”. And this qualifies you how??&#8221;</p>
<p>Working closely with the principal researcher taught me a lot (although<br />
it has been a while).</p>
<p>&#8220;Heck, even I am an Electronics Engineering Technologist with a B.Sc.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh.</p>
<p>&#8220;What degree did you say you have?&#8221;</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>&#8220;Because my gut is telling me you set up the computers that they did their erroneous climate modeling on.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then you would be wrong. I was actually an &#8216;Electronics Technologist III&#8217; in UofT jargon, a &#8216;IV&#8217; meaning that you supervised other techs, but as I was on my own (as grants don&#8217;t normally cover techs) I had the ear of the Prof. As I previously said, I worked in Cell Physiology, and later in Cloud Physics closely it both cases with the principal researcher. I never indicated that we had anything to do with climate, and was just saying that &#8216;scientific papers&#8217; are not new to me.</p>
<p>The two papers I coauthored (in cell physiology) are (1)&#8221;Low-Frequency Voltage Noise in a Mammalian Bone Cell Close&#8221; Journal of Cellular Physiology 113:267-272 (1982) and (2)&#8221;Transient and Sustained Effects of Hormones and Calcium on Membrane Potential in a Bone Cell Close&#8221;  Journal of Cellular Physiology 122:53-58 (1985). I designed and supplied the electronic interfaces and did some of the research.</p>
<p>Later in the Department of Physics I designed a built interfaces to PC&#8217;s along with supporting software, mostly in assembly for wind tunnels, field instruments and Doppler radar. I retired in 1994.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Illeman</title>
		<link>http://officiallyscrewed.com/blog/?p=765&#038;cpage=1#comment-1885</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Illeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 01:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[31]&quot;People were asking for the sort of science references we use. I could send them one by one but a more effective way is to send to the FOS science refrence site at http://www.friendsofscience.org/index.php?ide=7 since they use many of the same references as we do.&quot;

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[31]&#8220;People were asking for the sort of science references we use. I could send them one by one but a more effective way is to send to the FOS science refrence site at <a href="http://www.friendsofscience.org/index.php?ide=7" rel="nofollow">http://www.friendsofscience.org/index.php?ide=7</a> since they use many of the same references as we do.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Illeman</title>
		<link>http://officiallyscrewed.com/blog/?p=765&#038;cpage=1#comment-1884</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Illeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[30]&quot; Alan,try looking at their scientific advisory committee and allied experts http://www.nrsp.com/people.html &quot;

Thanks, I somehow missed that. There&#039;s a lot of interesting info there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[30]&#8221; Alan,try looking at their scientific advisory committee and allied experts <a href="http://www.nrsp.com/people.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nrsp.com/people.html</a> &#8221;</p>
<p>Thanks, I somehow missed that. There&#8217;s a lot of interesting info there.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Harris</title>
		<link>http://officiallyscrewed.com/blog/?p=765&#038;cpage=1#comment-1883</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 04:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suggest that at least parts of the following quote applies very much to our common concern about suppression of alternative voices in the climate debate:

FP: You make the shrewd observation of how political correctness engenders evil because of “the violence that it does to people’s souls by forcing them to say or imply what they do not believe, but must not question.” Can you talk about this a bit?

Dalrymple: Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small. In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. One&#039;s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.

From: http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19293</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suggest that at least parts of the following quote applies very much to our common concern about suppression of alternative voices in the climate debate:</p>
<p>FP: You make the shrewd observation of how political correctness engenders evil because of “the violence that it does to people’s souls by forcing them to say or imply what they do not believe, but must not question.” Can you talk about this a bit?</p>
<p>Dalrymple: Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small. In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. One&#8217;s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.</p>
<p>From: <a href="http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19293" rel="nofollow">http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19293</a></p>
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